and some, for example materialist atheists, may be here to experience not believing, so let them be and--I find the articles about there is no proof of god, or there is proof of god, and the fights that believers get into with atheists tiresome and pointless--it amazes me how easy it is to write a story with a title that baits hordes of atheists to leave comments attacking and wonder if the author is laughing as it counts its MPP